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Religious Scream Session Thread

Hi, guys:

For many years, roughly once every year or 14 months or so, I would let the Christians and the anti-Christians scream abuse at each other for a week or two on one of the Yahoo groups, after which I would resume my policy of editing or rejecting posts that wanted to stir religious..uh…”controversy.”

Probably the worst outburst of this kind of thing directed against me or my work came after Hill of the Ravens, when I had a couple of favorable Wiccan characters and not only Christians but anti-Christians objected. Jeez, you would’ve thought I’d pissed in the punch bowl on that one!

A surprising number of people seem to be upset over Axis Sally’s favorable reference to Christianity in her cut this week on RFN. Do we need to have a scream session to let everybody get it out of their system? Actually, that seems to work fairly well–I can’t remember anybody of any significance who’s actually quit and left after one of these blowouts.

Tell you what, let’s use the comments thread on this post for a religious scream session, if needed. Suggest everybody use pseudonyms so none of the bad cess will carry over into actual meetings and NF-related stuff.

35 Comments


  1. Arlo Fossett
    Apr 29, 2011

    Oh, God, pardon the expression. Are we back to THAT again?


  2. Rick Mcintyre
    Apr 30, 2011

    I find it hard to believe that there are still people in the Movement who don’t get that that the entire religious thing is a massive irrelevancy, but I guess so.


  3. Erik
    Apr 30, 2011

    Alright, I’ll bite- what’s the argument?

    People will always want spirituality. In turn come places of worship, ceremony and people to run those places. The official state religion of Iceland is Luthernaism, yet people still belive in elves there and everyone gets along.

    I’m atheist and I’ll be the first to admit that enforced atheism is a joke of a policy for humans anywhere. It breeds the worst kind of contempt for the enforcer and is literally soul-less. It’s all nice and logical and completely worthless for morale, community and comfort.

    If you can’t convert, collaborate and cooperate. People can worship however they like as long as it doesn’t impose on the operations of the ethno-state, namely through inter-faith conflicts. Pax romana, if you like. I personally would rather see the spiritual void filled with only one religion, but that takes time and generations. People just want to feel accepted and loved. Let everyone bring their own ghost to the dinner table, and the ghost that starts trouble has to leave.

    Normally, I’d indulge in a tl;dr- keyboard tap-a-thon on such juicy bait of a topic, but I don’t even know what the argument is. Seperate the ghost from the mortal ego that feels compelled to beat everyone else over the head with it and let it at that. Any god should be about perpetual love until such time as the culture is unified enough upon just one god that the state can bond with to empower said church with a bigger mission. Besides, a state without a faith to at least be friends with seems artificial and short lived in my opinion anyways.

    Let the belligerents argue all they want elsewhere. Otherwise, short of hoping every WN of any faith feels love from their spriritual guide, and hoping the ‘state’ repsects peoples yearning for a cosmic role, purpose and divine love, I don’t know whats to be said here. I’m an atheist that attends Catholic choirs, promotes Christian identity, and all the while feels Norse myths are my most intimate guidance, and I know when I die I will do no more than rot in the ground with my last thought being “I hope I see Vahalla” and maybe even dreaming it before I’m dirt, which is close enough to believing it all forever at that point.

    If I were talking with Wiccans, I’d do the same thing I do when I talk to Christians, simply translate what their hearts are saying in my head. Some are saying “I love the world,” some are saying “I’m angry and I don’t know what to do,” some are saying “I need help, please listen,” and some are just saying “Let’s play-pretend.” it all translates the same if you just respect them enough to listen to their hearts. If all gods are man-made, let man make the best of it. Perhaps therein lies that spirit.

    I’m still tl;dr lol


  4. Anonymous
    Apr 30, 2011

    I think the objection lies in Sally’s equation of the word Christian with White. Yes, I read your other blog and yes, I know they used to mean the same thing, but most people today live in Literalville, as Rush puts it.


  5. Hodding Skeet
    Apr 30, 2011

    Yeah, I’ve caught the “Harold is a Christian” refrain in the Goat Dance chorus before. I’ve never understood why those idiots thought it was some kind of insult.

    I notice that Scott David Speidel has been very quiet since you publicly identified him as “Hadding Scott.” I guess without anonymity, harassing HAC online isn’t as much fun anymore.


  6. Cognosco
    Apr 30, 2011

    My only objection to it was that she equated criticism to christianity as jewish. Criticizing anything is how we get to truths. Criticizing the u.s.’ reasons for it’s relationship is how we discover zionism. Criticism is not a bad thing, even if it’s directed toward something we are bias towards. I think that it needs to be realised that this is a racial movement and not a religious one (though people may be using religion as a motive). Christians, atheists, pagans, witches, devil worshippers what have you, we are all willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for our people and this cause. That said, if we are to promote one, than any other should have an equal voice regardless of popularity. Or, we can just keep it racial.


  7. Harold
    Apr 30, 2011

    I wasn’t the one who ID’ed Speidel. It was one of our many former National Alliance people that we have associated with the NF, an entirely real person, not someone “Harold made up” despite however Speidel may delude himself. Actually it was someone whose identity would probably shock the hell out of Speidel if he knew.

    But yes, I agree, he has been remarkably silent since his unmasking. I guess having a wee dog pull open the curtain and reveal the wee man behind it does take a lot of the fun out of such a bizarre hobby. We’ll hear more of him, however, just as we will hear more of “Hunter Wallace.” I am sure they are busy constructing new internet aliases even as we speak, and are preparing to burst upon the world wide web with a new round of shocking–SHOCKING!–revelations about how Howwible Hawold is in fact THE GRAND RABBI OF JERSUSALEM and personally receives a chest of gold doubloons and a fruit basket from Morris Dees every month.


  8. FWM
    Apr 30, 2011

    Cognosco: “Criticizing anything is how we get to truths. ”

    Yes, criticism is as important a tool as we have available; however, like all tools, the purpose and project must be considered. Tools are used to build, to craft. They can also be mis-used, to destroy and to harm.
    When tools are used in this latter fashion the tool-master should be recognized by an observer for what he is and what he isn’t.
    The rhetorical version of this is taught in Universities throughout the country, in the form of “Critical Theory,” and it is a Judæo-Liberal crow-bar used to denigrate, with the hopes of destroying Western Civilization, and the chief occupant of that civilization, the White Man.
    The White Man might be the only of God’s creatures that can have a personal God. He is the only creature able to love more than one Being/concept greater than himself… God and His People (race). The riddle for us is to blend the transcendent into a harmony that doesn’t destroy either, or himself.

    Mike


  9. Steve the Elder
    May 01, 2011

    I’m Christian Identity and I find HAC’s novels and this whole “religion” issue amusing. My belief system is for myself and for those who are similarly convinced, not a matter of political policy, except in areas that we all had better agree on as rational men, such as criminal behavior and proper punishment for it.. IE rape and murder and such being punished severely

    I am also a National Socialist and my faith dovetails nicely with it. In fact many Germans in the 3rd Reich were Identity in all but name. The main problem we have today in WNism is too many chiefs and not enough injuns.. too many alpha types who can’t manage to sideline their personal agendas for enough time to work together with others to accomplish something great and worthy. This is not how we succeeded in the past. In fact the whole rugged individualism thing is a jewish trap laid for us. No, you can’t make it alone, no man is an island and Indiana Jones is a jew

    Check this site out for verification of my Identity/NSist claims and regardless of your particular beliefs please stop the absurd infighting that has destroyed every recent WNist movement!

    If nothing else there’s a free PDF download of the accurate copy of Mein Kampf there, which every WNist should read

    http://mk.christogenea.org/content/israelitewatchmencom-facsimile-library


  10. Call me Witch
    May 02, 2011

    Okay, I’m Pagan with a major leaning towards Wiccanism, but I have no quarrel with those of other belief systems. In the end it’s all a matter of what gets you through the day and makes you a better person. White people should put aside their religious differences and devote all that energy towards the survival of our race. I still say Merry Christmas, and wish others a Happy Easter and so forth–it doesn’t hurt a bit, and civil pleasantries make life a lot smoother. It’s not worth raising your blood pressure or getting a hernia over.


  11. WP
    May 03, 2011

    Christianity is a Jewish poison.


  12. Bob
    May 03, 2011

    The White race is God’s most beautiful creation. I think He created niggers when He had a hangover.


  13. WP
    May 04, 2011

    Bob, if your god is all powerful, why does he not just get rid of the niggers?


  14. Steve the Elder
    May 04, 2011

    WP, I’ll attempt a short answer.. it is very possible that niggers were created by demons, as hybrids.. to kill and torment us. If this is the case then eventually they will be completely destroyed. As HAC has explained this week, modern JEWdeo “christianity” is not the original faith, it is totally corrupted and disgusting and I would add here that “jesus” was not a jew. He told them so in John 8:44 and about 50 other places where He called jews the children of devils and vipers

    One more thing.. I strongly suspect that many of the “dead jew on a stick” people are actually ZOG plants, sent into WNism to disrupt the awakening of Christians by making them think WNists are a bunch of Christ haters. You may not be a believer but we are the majority of WNists and definitely of armed and right thinking Americans, which is the best pool of potential freedom fighters. VNN is probably the worst of the forums promoting this hogwash. I’m not going to provide the 100 links to truth on this issue because I’m not here to convert anyone.. merely explaining what I believe

    And BTW it’s quite likely that you and I would not even be here to hopefully rationally discuss this, without a man named Charles Martel.. you do know of The Hammer, right? Just one example..


  15. James
    May 05, 2011

    I am Christian Identity. I do not object to the lie, told by Jews, that Jesus was a Jew. Jews are only following their genetic predisposition to lie (murder and steal).

    I do; however, object when I hear White kinsmen, who say they hate the jew, but willingly swallow the lies of the Jew. I know that whenever I hear a “WN” call Jesus a Jew, that he is still firmly in the hold of the jewish matrix.

    I love my race. I know it is the only race GOD Almighty created of and from HIMSELF. I would help out a kinsman in a pinch as long as they are not a traitor to our race. I will stand by my people. But I could never forge a “working relationship” or community with non-believers.

    If you are reading scripture through Jewish eyes, then you can never understand that the scripture was not written for or to the Jews. It was written precisely for the Anglo-Saxon and related White people. We are the true Israelites of old.


  16. WASP
    May 05, 2011

    Where is Martin Luther when you need him ????


  17. Gus
    May 06, 2011

    I’m an Orthodox Christian and I must make clear right up front that I don’t care who or what my fellow White kinsmen believe-in or worship or pray-to. I simply don’t. What is of paramount importance to me (and should damn well be transcendent to all Aryans) is that our race survives and ascends IN THIS LIFE ON THIS EARTH. The fact that the NWF is non-religious is one of its most important and strongest positions. If it WERE all Christian or Odinist or Atheist, it would be doomed from the start (and I wouldn’t give it a second glance). I implore all you religionists in our ranks to keep it to yourselves. I promise to do so ALWAYS!


  18. WASP
    May 06, 2011

    I think some need to recheck their faith !!! I am saved by faith…I worship one God only…and He sent His one and only son here to go to the cross and bear my sins…and rights do not come from man …they come from grace of God…I am guilty of looking at the facts..MLK was not a saved African…Why? He NEVER gave a sermon on salvation…and NEVER witness that Jesus was his Lord and savior…We will fight a civil war in this country again soon…there is no doubt that there enough gaybos,lizbos,negros and atheist develcrats to spill much blood…O how i pray for my country and the men and women that must defend our freedoms that the African Muslim wish to destroy…May God bless us and OUR America…


  19. Gus
    May 06, 2011

    WASP, I just checked my faith, and it’s living and, well…not the point here. The question is “Are you pro White or pro White genocide?” That’s what’s at stake. EVERYTHING!
    I doubt very seriously that God is going to bless America nor should He given its degraded state. I do pray “God Bless Our Folk!” because the minions of hell are bent on destroying us.
    When the time for fighting comes (and it seems to be rapidly approaching) I won’t care if the comrade beside me in the foxhole is a Pagan, Christian, Atheist or Great Pumpkinite. And further, when we are victorious and the NW Republic is established I will gladly work together with all of the above to make it the best White nation in the world.


  20. Steve the Elder
    May 06, 2011

    It is my belief that we will be victorious over the beast (Google George Washington’s Vision) but that few of us percentage wise will survive the fire.. who that will be is not up to me, I can only do my duty. Our race is holy, which means “set apart, racially separate” and “we” WILL make it


  21. James
    May 06, 2011

    Be ye not unequally yoked with the unbeliever.

    I believe victory for our race is already assured. Just as 99% of all prophecy is fulfilled (once you understand who the Adamic and the Serpent races are). So will the last 1%. be fulfilled to the letter.

    To ask me to leave aside my faith and my “religious” beliefs, is like asking to be bring my body but leave my mind behind. It is not possible.

    As I have said, I will help kinsmen in need. I am not going to grill them about their religious beliefs in order to render assistance. I am commanded to love my kinspeople as much as I love myself. This is not a burden, but a joy.

    I will not however, condone nor compact with people who deny my Christ. HE is our All Father.


  22. WASP
    May 07, 2011

    Gus I’m a little slow…i don’t understand the pro-white or pro-white genocide question…and i have prayed for this time to come before i get to old…Gus if they look like me and believe like me on race I surely well not have issues…i do not wear my faith on my sleeve !!! but I’m not going to bend on my faith…and I’m sure there are a lot more like me,and could care less what someones else beliefs are…as long as there are humans they will think deferentially from one to the other…and i will learn quietly how to make friends and get along and avoided those that do not think like i do… “God Bless Dixie”


  23. Mikey
    May 07, 2011

    “James” said, “I will not however, condone nor compact with people who deny my Christ.”

    So “James”, do you not understand the NF is a organization of Blood, not faith? And so the rest of us would ask, what is more important to you, the NW Republic we are building, or your “christ”?

    Now, we have xtians in Maine sponsoring the importation of vicious Somailis into small Maine towns, and xtians in Wisconsin sponsoring the immigration of primitive SE Asian Hmong tribesmen into Wisconsin, and of course the Lutherans in Boise who are enabling the adoptions of female Chinese infants by White amurricans, infants EVEN THE DAWG-EATING CHINESE SAVAGES DO NOT WANT!

    The xtians are destroying our Land and Folk, yet they are your co-religionists, so when push comes to shove, will you choose the NW Republic, or join with the xtians who would destroy us and start shooting us in the back?


  24. Gus
    May 08, 2011

    I appreciate this thread because it reveals to me (and everyone reading it) who all does or does not value the survival of the White race enough to be willing to work/struggle with kinsmen with whom there are metaphysical differences. No one is asking anyone to renounce Jesus, abandon Tyr, or forsake the Muse. We can’t efficiently and successfully “secure the existence of our people and a future for White children” if we continually engage in theological pissing contests. To those of you who get all pumped up by making insulting declarations about Odin or Christ or the Holy Cosmos I say…one day you may grasp the gravity of our Folk’s dilemma and on that day you may decide to tether your sacred cow and get to work on the solution. Until that day comes you’re just part of the problem.


  25. Steve the Elder
    May 09, 2011

    I will repeat in stronger terms.. jewdeo “christians” are imposters and they are my enemy, as a Christian Identity man. If any person would rather cleave to those jewish corrupted false versions instead of the true racial faith then they have chosen sides. My Messiah comes first, fortunately there is no contradiction in fighting for my race, as long as they are not willful evildoers. That is what the Civil Guard and BOSS would be for..


  26. JamesTheJust
    May 11, 2011

    “So “James”, do you not understand the NF is a organization of Blood, not faith?”

    My faith is my blood. It is just as much as part of me as flesh, blood and bone.

    “And so the rest of us would ask, what is more important to you, the NW Republic we are building, or your “christ”?”

    Actually, you are the one asking. And my answer is that my Christ wins hands down every single time. And you should be glad that this is the case. If you understood DSLCI you would never think about asking me to denounce the underlying tenants of my faith.


  27. JamesTheJust
    May 11, 2011

    Some of you just don’t get it. And you are using dishonesty and canards to bolster your position. Some of you keep referring to JEW-deo Xtianity and trying to equate that to DSLCI. That is very dishonest (or either you are woefully ignorant of what you speak,).

    It is this belief in ignorance and deceit which detracts from White unity; not my beliefs as a Christian.

    My posts are straight forward and easy to comprehend. Those who continue to make the argument that it is an “either/or” position, or try to make it appear that DSLCI is just another sect of JEWdeo-Xtianity, are engaging in out-right lies. That is NOT the mark of a White man.


  28. Steve the Elder
    May 11, 2011

    James, we know each other from a different site. I am ardent Identity. Chill out here a bit and ruffle a few less feathers and you might find these are some great people who love our race. They just don’t like being hammered all of the sudden (in yer face style) with the hard core (but true of course) Identity message. Many of them have never even heard it or had personal contact with Identity people, so they have no clue who we are or what we hold dear (our race and it’s welfare as well as our related historical and biblical beliefs) I’m glad I learned Identity through my father and subsequently about 20 years of historical and archaeological study and that it wasn’t shoved in my face abruptly as if I was standing at an Inquisition hearing. In that case I would likely have rebelled and never studied and learned Identity. Always keep in mind we have free will, and that without that we would be little more than robots. We may not like the choices they make, but it is theirs to make, for good or ill. I will fight alongside any of these kindred as long as they observe basic white man’s morals


  29. Steve the Elder
    May 11, 2011

    BTW James, have you read the NW novels? Please do so and then get back to us. I guarantee you will enjoy them and that you will not be able to put them down. You can buy them on Amazon, start with the Brigade, I will link it below. Start with that book and you will discover that the NWF is not anti DSLCI (For everyone else, that is Dual Seedline Christian Identity, the belief that the jews are descended from the seduction of Eve at the symbolic “tree” by the general of fallen angels, Satan, and that Cain, her resulting son was the father of the jews, and that we Caucasians are the true lost white tribes of Israel, made in God’s image, soon to rule this entire planet from one corner to the other.. you want real white supremacy, well that’s it. Sorry for the sidetrack but it wanted clarification since James tossed it out there)

    This is the order I read them in after HAC handed me an autographed copy of The Brigade at a picnic. I still owe you for that book, HAC, thanks
    The Brigade:
    http://www.amazon.com/Brigade-H-Covington/dp/1436328020/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1305133421&sr=1-2

    A Distant Thunder
    http://www.amazon.com/Distant-Thunder-H-Covington/dp/1418480983/ref=pd_sim_b_2

    A Mighty Fortress
    http://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Fortress-Harold-Covington/dp/1420859005/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

    Hill of the Ravens
    http://www.amazon.com/Hill-Ravens-H-Covington/dp/1410765601/ref=pd_sim_b_3

    James, I’m on the proofreading committee for his 5th novel. HAC is Identity friendly and so is the NWF, so cool down a few degrees and perhaps join us, brother..


  30. WASP
    May 11, 2011

    I don’t want to fight and i don’t want to fuss with GUS….and something tells me that some out there might have a African mouth on them, and i don’t mean that his lips need to be circumcised…trash in the ears,trash out the mouth, well i got to run i will finish what i have to say soon….


  31. JamesTheJust
    May 12, 2011

    Thanks Steve.

    I hope that no kinsman was offended by my posts. If a kinsman was in need, you can rest assured that I’d be there if at all possible. I love my race. It is holy.


  32. Gus
    May 12, 2011

    WASP, my White kinsman, I have no problem with what you have expressed. None at all. What I hope to convey is the urgency of our need for unity. That’s all. I have no dog in the theology fight. I’m only interested in securing the existence of our people and a future for White children.


  33. WASP
    May 12, 2011

    Reply to Gus: We don’t have any problems….i would be one of the first to step up and fight for YOUR freedom of or for religion!!! for that reason i have a dog in that fight…and yes i can see your urgency to get things done…i know folks that have been in the boat with you on this for more that 40 years and i will not call names…i do know what it will take to unite ALL WHITES that are smart enough to dump between two shoes…and that will fight for the FUTURE of all white children…and that is simple… for those that we oppose that have been mentally exterminating our white children for many years now !!!! to take it to the next step…


  34. WASP
    May 13, 2011

    And if i get the opportunity…i think I’ll just go ahead and water board Allah and the Mohammad and any other twisted sister that ran off to Chicago after Greensboro…


  35. NorthwestRepublic
    May 20, 2011

    FWM

    What on earth are you talking about?
    Criticism is how we manuver our way through the world and life. Criticism, like science, is not good or bad, it just IS and it’s how we feel our way through existence. Criticism is no more creative or destructive than seeing, tasting or hearing and it should NEVER be abandoned or suspended.

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